tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6851300.post115867570139239385..comments2023-11-05T06:06:12.057-06:00Comments on The 271 Patent Blog: Have Patents Killed the Software Industry in the U.S.? Hardly.Two-Seventy-One Patent Bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02481083706071978817noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6851300.post-76788896549136748142010-12-23T05:10:45.722-06:002010-12-23T05:10:45.722-06:00It's a good arguments for software patents in ...It's a good arguments for software patents in US marketAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14285074690775919821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6851300.post-1159388596775090252006-09-27T15:23:00.000-05:002006-09-27T15:23:00.000-05:00The fact that this conversation is going on, sugge...The fact that this conversation is going on, suggests what sad times we live in. <BR/><BR/>I worked for a small US software firm that was aquired by Amdocs. While we made a great deal of money through licensing and other business agreements with out customer, it was the service our software provided that was of value.<BR/><BR/>Very few people thought the intellectual property in of itself was valuable, and we freely made us of open source and other freely available libraries whenever it suited us. <BR/><BR/>Now our new parent company (Amdocs) is concerned because our solution, which processes millions of dollars worth of transactions, contains pieces of IP which we do not wholly own.<BR/><BR/>Here's my over generalized view of the cultural differences between firms:<BR/><BR/>1) US software startup:<BR/><BR/>A small group of bright ambitious people willing to leverage any available resources to produce a successful solution. This may include licensing 3rd party libraries and tools (BEA, Oracle, taxware etc.) and free downloads of opensource tools (linux, mysql, apache).<BR/><BR/>2) Amdocs<BR/><BR/>Thousands of developers, many of which are talented, most of whom are paid comparitively lower wages as they work in places like India, China and Cyprus.<BR/>Rather than *risk* any legal exposure regarding intellectual property, it is deemed more cost effective to pay a team of Indian developers to code from scratch an XML parser, rather than have an American (who may earn as much as that whole team) simply download a free parser from jakarta.apache.org.<BR/><BR/>It's becoming exhaustining trying to reconcile these cultural differences.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6851300.post-1159132101034116652006-09-24T16:08:00.000-05:002006-09-24T16:08:00.000-05:00Marco wrote:"Where are the Israely big software pr...Marco wrote:<BR/>"<BR/>Where are the Israely big software products? Where is Israeli OS? Israely Office? Israely CAD? Never used a software from that country... how is that since they are so good?<BR/>"<BR/><BR/>Marco - please please THINK before you write. Your ignorance is astounding. <BR/><BR/>Well, here is a partial list of software companies with extensive R&D in Israel: Microsoft, Symantec, Sun Microsystems, IBM, HP.<BR/><BR/>Here is a partial list of non-'software' companies with R&D in Israel that produce a lot of innovative software - Intel, Freescale Semiconductors, Applied Materials, Cisco<BR/><BR/>Here is a partial list of 'native' Israeli software companies (or services companies that create a lot of software):<BR/>Check Point, Comverse, Amdocs<BR/><BR/>In terms of CAD software, you may want to check out a company called Proficiency<BR/><BR/>The above list were constructed from the 'top of my head.' There are many more.<BR/><BR/>Anyone willing to spend 3 minutes using Google can verify the accuracy of the aformentioned lists !!!<BR/><BR/>Marco - unless you have been living under a ROCK for the last 20 years, I am SURE that you have used many Israeli software products - you were just unaware of it.<BR/><BR/>Shalom !!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6851300.post-1158860968780527462006-09-21T12:49:00.000-05:002006-09-21T12:49:00.000-05:00Well, software patents did not hurted US industry....Well, software patents did not hurted US industry... only when not used!<BR/>Big boys have "cross license", and small firm are safe until they stay on the shadows of big boys (i.e. you produce one of the "many applications and ancillary products that connect to the backbone"). In any case this is a big waste of resources for issuing useless patents, no?<BR/>How many new US company have become BIG after sw patents? Uh? No one? Microsoft and IBM are still leading? How can it be if there is such an innovative developement in US? All this after 16 years of sw patents? Where are the small firms that have grown so much thanks to their sw patents? Where is the innovation? In "Amazon one click buy"? Or in Microsoft patents about using XML to store word processor files?<BR/>How is that Apple has been sued for iPod "music selection" by Creative? Seems that Apple is not that creative, then...<BR/>What about Blackberry?<BR/>How many of the US enterprises have never born or have quit soon because of a sw patent infringiment? Any statistic?<BR/>Where are the Israely big software products? Where is Israeli OS? Israely Office? Israely CAD? Never used a software from that country... how is that since they are so good?<BR/>Software patents are not legal in India and Ireland, so no one wastes money in filing them. And they don't innovate in software because are used as "low cost man/brain power" by western countries (India) or, for Ireland, as a fiscal paradise for Microsoft. Do you really think that is interest of Microsoft to create software house that can attack Microsoft market? What about protecting worldwide that monopoly throught software patents instead? And push for adding that in Europe and India also? (strange coincidence that they tried in both?).<BR/>But since software patents seems to exist in Israely, they do just to survive against possible sw patents attack, I guess. What a waste of resources!<BR/>Since there is a relation between developed countries and quantity of rubbish, what about passing a legislation that multiplies the rubbish? This will sure lead in a much much better place where live, no?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6851300.post-1158779076068043742006-09-20T14:04:00.000-05:002006-09-20T14:04:00.000-05:00Wow, what a strong argument for patents: they have...Wow, what a strong argument for patents: they have not harmed the software industry that much!<BR/><BR/>Of course, this does not imply the patent system has no costs; or that the costs are exceeded (somehow) by the benefits of the system (in fact if it has no effect, that means it has no benefits, right?). For more on this, see <A HREF="http://blog.mises.org/blog/archives/003272.asp" REL="nofollow">There's No Such Thing as a Free Patent</A>.Stephan Kinsellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07986650653184633661noreply@blogger.com